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State of The DJ 2011 - Commentary

 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:18 am    Post subject: State of The DJ 2011 - Commentary Reply with quote

Someone posted this rant on their blog. Interesting bits in the replies as well...

Any takers? Thoughts? Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:30 pm    Post subject: Re: State of The DJ 2011 - Commentary Reply with quote

FK wrote:
Someone posted this rant on their blog. Interesting bits in the replies as well...

Any takers? Thoughts? Cool


I guess my feeling was: truth being spoken, but also feels like something of a lost world being pined for. I mean, there was once a time when the making of lace was both an esteemed craft and important business... Things changed. They changed when we electronic musicians and DJs came in and made things harder for the live music model that preceded.

And um... more later, after this baby is calmer. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I keep coming back to that the mighty Bob Olhsson has said is that: scenes start in someone's living room (in other words: all movements start with just a few people getting together). So, for me the big question is: if we feel that the scene is dying, how do you reestablish that root?

One tricky thing now, it seems, is a lot of ways that we receive music defeat that locality. Music no longer bought via a store, communities more online than IRL... I don't think we can get the old way back, but where is that root gonna come from then?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And continuing...

Another aspect of this for me, is that as much as it specifically names people like Larry Levan or Ron Hardy or Frankie Knuckles at the Warehouse, I suspect this is really kind of a mythologized precursor to what is really being eulogized: which is the '90s golden age of the 'underground' house DJ. And to me, this was in fact the beginning of the downward slope, the journey into the desert, rather than the perfected apex. For my coming of age, what I remember the strongest was the interconnectedness of a whole bunch of scenes focused on DJing and electronic music: house, hip-hop, reggae, NRG, industrial. All the talk about Larry, Frankie and Ron seems to forget the world of people playing Paul Lekakis or Front 242 or UTFO or Siouxsie & The Banshees or Janet Jackson or "Sleng Teng" for a dancing audience. In other words, there was a vast ecosystem of which the Garage/Warehouse/Music Box legacy was but a part. The problem for me was that, as the 90s progressed, all those scenes stopped intercommunicating. The house people left hip-hop, the hip-hop people left house, and each was left by itself for itself. That, to me, is when the rot set in, not when CDJs or Serato came along.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"At the Digital Music Forum East conference, held Thursday in New York, music industry watchers gathered to puzzle anew over the continuing decline in music sales. 'We have lost 20 million buyers in just five years,' said Russ Crupnick, a president at the analyst firm NPD Group who spoke at the conference. Moreover, only about 14 percent of buyers account for 56 percent of revenue for the recording industry. In years past, the blame was put on digital music piracy. At this year's conference, however, the focus was on free streaming Internet services, such as Pandora, MySpace, Spotify and even YouTube."


let's adapt this reality: people who were listening to some of those iconic DJ figures didn't have 3596 mixshows, podcasts and SoundCloud posts to choose from today, that they could listen to anytime day or night.

Maybe that coupled with people using cell phones and texting while in clubs has made it that music doesn't have the same appeal and effect on people it once had when it was a lot scarcer?

So it has become difficult to compare what's going on today to those older times, as the value people put on the music itself has changed?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FK wrote:
(...)has made it that music doesn't have the same appeal and effect on people it once had when it was a lot scarcer?

So it has become difficult to compare what's going on today to those older times, as the value people put on the music itself has changed?


Clearly, the value of music is much diminished now, but on the other hand, there was always more music happening than any one person could consume... Yet one still managed to value the experience one gained from it differently...

My fundamental axiom of music is that all great music is merely the side effect of a the experience of a great social interaction. Is it that the new social interactions are weaker?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttauri wrote:
My fundamental axiom of music is that all great music is merely the side effect of a the experience of a great social interaction. Is it that the new social interactions are weaker? Peece, T. Tauri


Sorry I'll get back to you on this, I'm having such a good time tweeting how good of a time I am having at this party.

(like somebody watching a TV show of someone who is watching TV?...)

Well, I know I am reaching here, but you get the general idea.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttauri wrote:
FK wrote:
(...)has made it that music doesn't have the same appeal and effect on people it once had when it was a lot scarcer?

So it has become difficult to compare what's going on today to those older times, as the value people put on the music itself has changed?


Clearly, the value of music is much diminished now, but on the other hand, there was always more music happening than any one person could consume... Yet one still managed to value the experience one gained from it differently...

My fundamental axiom of music is that all great music is merely the side effect of a the experience of a great social interaction. Is it that the new social interactions are weaker?

Peece,
T. Tauri


Or that people don't dance anymore? (perhaps that's what you mean) It was once called dance music for a reason..I think you're on point Tauri about everything getting split up & getting stuck in its own musical ghetto late 80's..of course you can still get busy to a whole night of deep house or whatever genre it may be but its sure is hard to find a DJ with skills to get people moving for that kind of time. Parties have got desperately predictable. That's the worst thing you can do to a dancer.

The technology will always be evolving & from that will come both good & bad but the dancer couldn't care less about the medium.

I've danced my ass off at vinyl only Loft parties & I've lost my mind to *cough cough FK laptop sets.

So the blog posted is on point regards the people & I think he's bang on about the importance of a proper venue with people who care, backing them.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "I want my vinyl technology back!" sentiment reminded me of this Larry Wilmore sketch on The Daily Show...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-august-11-2009/reform-madness---white-minority?xrs=share_copy

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of interesting perspectives.
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